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Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit, more capabalities
From: cangel@famvid.com
Message-ID: <iotg4.4443$NU6.161022@tw12.nn.bcandid.com>
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 00:30:07 GMT
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu
On 1900-01-16 jrd@cc.usu.edu(JoeDoupnik) said:
JD>Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
JD>In article <_Hag4.2677$NU6.52105@tw12.nn.bcandid.com>,
JD>>cangel@famvid.com writes: On 2000-01-14 jaltman@watsun.cc.
JD>columbia.edu(JeffreyAltman) said: >
JD>>CA> Is there a binary archive of this source code
JD>>CA> anywhere that I can download or am I going to need a way to
JD>>CA> decode a 1meg+ UUE? Why would the MSKermit source code be
JD>>CA> in two ASCII formats when kermit itself has no problem doing
JD>>CA> binary transfers nor do any other protocols I am of aware of
JD>>CA> since the '80s?
JD>>JA> From the web page
JD>>JA> http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mskermit.html
JD>>JA> "The source code for MS-DOS Kermit is in the
JD>>JA> ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/a/
JD>>JA> directory. The filenames all start with "ms" and end
JD>>JA> with ".asm", ".h" and ".c"."
JD>>CA> Yes, I could see that individual portions of the code were
JD>>CA> there. I have found that most TCP/IP telecom packages are quite
JD>>CA> complex in the way that OBJ files are compiled and then finally
JD>>CA> linked to create the executable(s).
JD>>CA> For this reason many have embedded subdirectories and include
JD>>CA> a `makefile' that either contains multiple definitions for
JD>>CA> various compilers or at least can be edited for the compiler on
JD>CA> hand at the time.
JD>>CA> I was under the impression this was more or less standard
JD>>CA> procedure for packages of this complexity.
JD>>CA> The fact that archives _do_ exist would indicate that at some
JD>>CA> point in time this was considered necessary. Both archives
JD>>CA> being in unusual formats is a bit out of the ordinary. The `boo'
JD>>CA> format being non-standard and as I've said no apparent decoder
JD>>CA> for `boo' anywhere in sight. >
JD>>CA> This is not unremarkable in itself IMO.
JD>>CA> Anyone care to expand on the reason(s) why a binary archive
JD>>CA> cannot be made available for MSKermit source code?
JD> I gather that you haven't actually looked at the source files. If
JD> you were to do so then a makefile would be evident. It's handy but
JD> not necessary. The suite isn't a messy array of this and that in
JD> subdirectories and subsidary makefiles; that is not necessary with
JD> MS-DOS Kermit. Please read the material and the construction should
JD> be clear to you. MASM v6 or later and MS C v6 or later are required
JD> to build the program. There is no support for other assemblers or C
JD> compilers, so using them would require work on the part of the
JD> person using them. Joe D.
Ok, subdirectories and makefiles aren't required. That doesn't explain why
a normal binary archive is _not_ there and a `boo' archive _is_ there. If
`boo' was "something we tried long ago" and it wasn't a total success why
not put a _real_ binary archive in it's place?
Does your FTP client do `ERASE' and `PUT'?
Charles.Angelich